Category: Tempering
Pop’s ProCut – A New Carbon Steel for Knives
Development
In March 2024 Joey Berry of Pop’s Knife Supply called me and said he wanted to develop a new steel. He said that their most popular steel was 80CrV2 and so he wanted to make “80CrV3.” “You mean 80CrV2 but with a little more vanadium?” He said no but some kind of “sequel” to 80CrV2 that would be more exciting. I told him that doesn’t give me much to go off of but I would think about whether I had any good ideas along those lines. I thought about gaps in the market in the area of low alloy knife steels (“Carbon steel”) that would also be usable by the knifemaker that is buying 80CrV2. It occurred to me that our selection of high nickel steels is very limited; 15N20, L6, and 8670 are pretty much it. These steels are high in toughness and offer good hardness to go with it, but have no real wear resistance to speak of. 80CrV2 is in a similar position just without the nickel. I thought if we added some tungsten and vanadium to a high nickel steel we could make the steel more balanced; give it some wear resistance along with the high toughness. Those carbide pinning elements would mean that the steels are more beginner friendly for forge heat treating. 15N20, for example, already sees grain growth around 1500°F (815°C) and so its toughness drops very rapidly even when only slightly overheated. If the tungsten and vanadium were kept in check the forgeability, grindability, and polishability would remain high. This would also offer an alternative to other tungsten/vanadium steels like Blue #1, V-Toku2, Wolfram Special, 1.2519, and others. Those steels don’t have much toughness to speak of, so we could combine the best of the nickel steels with the best of the tungsten/vanadium steels. Another exciting element with the high nickel is the possibility to use the steel in pattern-welded Damascus as a “bright” layer. This gives an option for a higher wear resistance steel with better edge retention for that component of the Damascus. I told Joey about my idea and we decided to move forward with it.
What is Atlantic 33 Non-Tempering Steel?
Atlantic 33 Steel
There are a few places to purchase this Atlantic 33 “non-tempering” steel so I have been getting questions about it over the past couple years. The information is pretty scant and the descriptions are mysterious and confusing to anyone who knows steel [1]. In the advertising it says things like: “Drawing of temper to suit different requirements is unnecessary and completely eliminated.” Also there is no composition listed and the heat treating instructions are very barebones. “Suitable hardness is obtained by merely heating the tool and quenching it in water.” And, “May be heated to almost a melting heat without danger of distortion.” It basically just says to heat treat it however you feel like and skip the tempering. If it’s true that it doesn’t matter how you heat treat that is great, but otherwise it would be nice to know how to best heat treat the steel.
Introduction to Knife Steel Heat Treating from a Metallurgist
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Intro
I have many articles about all of the nitty gritty details of heat treating and the metallurgy behind every step. However, there may be some cases where knifemakers are afraid of all of the terminology and science and think heat treating is too complicated for them. When it comes down to it, the steps of heat treating are not particularly difficult. When you follow a recipe for how to make cookies you don’t need to know the science behind every step, but following them will still get you cookies at the end. An expert would know what went wrong if your cookies were too crunchy, too puffy, spread out too much, etc. And how to modify the recipe to change the flavor and texture of the cookies. However for most of us we will just follow the recipe. You can do the same thing with heat treating knife steel! So for this article I will tell you how to follow a datasheet. I will include some links to articles with more information about what happens in each step, but you can get to those when you are ready. Another great place to learn more about heat treating is my book Knife Engineering: Steel, Heat Treating, and Geometry.
What is the Best Hardness for MagnaCut Knives?
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How to Heat Treat 8670
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Podcasts
I appeared on two podcasts this past week, Knife Perspective and Mark of the Maker. Knife Perspective I had been on before so we mostly focused on MagnaCut and other topics. Mark of the Maker was a full interview asking about my background before discussing my book, website, and CPM MagnaCut. So listen to one or the other or both depending on what you’re in the mood for.
How Even is an EvenHeat? How to Operate Furnaces Effectively
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How to Use a Steel Datasheet to Develop a Heat Treatment
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Testing the Edge Retention of 48 Knife Steels
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A2 Steel – History and Properties
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History
A2 steel is quite old, though determining the exact year it was released is a bit difficult. A2 steel was developed in the early 20th century during the explosion of tool steels that occurred after the discovery of high speed steel which was first presented in 1900. You can read about that history in this article: The History of the First Tool Steel. During the development of the first high speed steel included the switch from manganese to chromium as the primary hardenability element, and most high speed steels had about 4% Cr. That high chromium content was primarily for “hardenability” which is the degree of cooling required to achieve full hardness. A “water quenching” steel has low hardenability and must be quenched very rapidly from high temperature, and an “air hardening” steel can be left in air and it will fully harden. You can read more about hardenability in this article on quenching. The first high speed steel came to be known as T1, which had 4% Cr and 18% W (tungsten). The earliest record I have found of a precursor A2-type steel is in a summary of tool steels in 1925 [1], while summaries of tool steels from 1910 [2] and 1915 [3] do not have any similar steels. Therefore these types of steels probably arose sometime between 1915 and 1925.
Heat Treating Vanax – How Hard Does it Get?
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Vanax
Vanax is an interesting steel because of its good combination of toughness, wear resistance, and corrosion resistance. I wrote about Vanax along with other nitrogen-alloyed steels in this article, to describe how the steel is designed. While the datasheet shows it being capable of 59-61 Rc, I was curious about how hard the steel can go. The steel may be good for kitchen knives, for example, where very thin edges and high hardness is common. And kitchen knife users may appreciate the excellent corrosion resistance of Vanax in the presence of water, salt, and acidic foods.